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VIDEO: Blankenship, Kennedy Debate Future of Energy
Posted Thursday, January 21, 2010 ; 01:04 PM | View Comments | Post Comment
Updated Tuesday, April 6, 2010; 04:26 PM


Environmental Rules Unreasonable, According to Blankenship.

By Pam Kasey
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CHARLESTON -- NOTE: You can watch the entire, unedited debate. Click Here!

The reason West Virginia’s economy isn’t more diverse, according to Don Blankenship, is that coal revenues lull politicians to sleep.

“They think because they have all of this revenue off of coal that they don’t have to worry about the future.”

The Massey Energy chairman and CEO made this statement at the Jan. 21 “Forum on the Future of Energy” debate with environmentalist Robert F. Kennedy Jr. at the University of Charleston.

Neither side convinced the other but the issues were fully aired.

Blankenship began broadly: the mission statement for coal is prosperity and security for this country.

“To do that we have to produce a lot of energy in this country, and we have to do it at a low cost, and we have to do it with the environment in mind and we have to manage the resources we have to get the maximum use out of them,” he said.

Kennedy began, rather, with a personal history, invoking the launch of his uncle John F. Kennedy’s 1960 campaign for president in the very same UC auditorium and recalling his own father, Robert F. Kennedy, wondering how a state among the richest in natural resources also had the among the poorest people.

The coal industry has mechanized ruthlessly, Kennedy said, mining with fewer and fewer people while destroying the environment and sending the profits out of state.

Blankenship disagreed. In his mind, coal provides good jobs and pays needed severance taxes to the state. It is, rather, a bad business environment that prevents supporting businesses from locating in the state and forces coal companies to make their large purchases elsewhere.

Where Kennedy cited West Virginia University Professor Michael Hendryx’s research showing that people living near coal mines are sicker, Blankenship pointed to communities around the world without electricity, where life expectancy and other health measures fall far below West Virginians’.

Where Blankenship maintained that coal built this country and is making China and other countries prosperous now, Kennedy countered with studies about wind and solar power facilities that could replace coal-fired power more cleanly and with a better return — only to have Blankenship ask, “Then why aren’t they being built?”

Kennedy argued primarily throughout the debate for an end to mountaintop mining, asserting that the same coal mined underground would provide more jobs and preserve the health of ecosystems and human communities.

He finished by pointing out Massey’s own reports of 12,900 violations of the federal Clean Water Act in a single year, and asked, “Is it possible to do mountaintop removal mining without violating the Clean Water Act?”

“The (Environmental Protection Agency) rules are unreasonable, enforcement is unreasonable, in many cases the safety enforcement is unreasonable,” Blankenship said, “and it is causing this country to be non-competitive, it’s costing us our jobs, it will cost the teachers their pension plans if we don’t begin to have a little bit of common sense.”

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Tim
1/28/10 at 9:49 AM
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The more I read of this, the more I see, "Right here, Right now."

None of the proponents of coal are looking any further forward than their next paycheck. I'd like something more for my kids. Hopefully, not in some hole in the ground, or a raped mountain top in WV.
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wow
1/28/10 at 9:17 AM
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After reading the comments (the legible ones anyhow) it seems West Virginians are concerned mostly about these things:

1. Being Right 2. Jesus/ and or God 3. expensive shoes 4. high electric bills 5. having money

They do not seem to care about:

1. the corporate takeover of democracy/the US govt. 2. the environment 3. future generations
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Janet
1/26/10 at 11:45 AM
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I wonder how many of you know that the sludge/slurry ponds come from underground mining and NOT MTR-surface mining? How can you be against the ponds but yet you support underground mining? When you dig a tunnel through the mountains underground, everywhere, how many of you also have wondered what happens to the mines once they punch out, my guess is since the roofs cave in prob from rotting wood over time that the mountain would prob have to resettle wouldn't you think? so the mountain would actually drop down taking away whatever distance in feet it was inside the mine for the men to go in.

Also we do fish and eat what we catch from big coal river or at least the one that we like and i haven't seen any dead fish floating.

To Joe S. Why should we believe anything you have to say anyway? I thought everyone knew that Jesus Christ was the SON of God! Next time please address him accordingly.
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Kolminr
1/26/10 at 10:11 AM
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ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF PAYING HIGHER ELECTRIC BILLS PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND! I’m sure all you people opposed to coal mining are aware that eliminating coal will more than double your cost of living and undoubtedly send most US manufacturing facilities overseas where they will benefit from cheaper rates, thus weakening our economy followed by a weakened military defense, making the US an attractive target for hostile takeover by some county (possibly one that’s running out of oil soon?) which isn’t afraid to mine our vast natural resources and significantly improve their cost of living. Ask yourself which way you would rather have it. I hate to rain on your parade, but the US will not survive as a world power if we become soft. By soft I mean afraid to take risks, replacing manufacturing jobs with soft jobs, and most of all letting down our defenses. Trust me, a lot of other countries would love to be sitting on America’s abundance of coal and other natural resources, and they would not sit back and worry about temporarily changing the landscape to get them out of the ground. If you turn this great country into a miserable place to live, guess what, people will leave. Guess who will leave, yes the wealthy people, because they can. Happy now? Think before you answer, they pay most of the taxes which build your schools, roads, and military. Don’t be fools. Let the system work. Enjoy your freedom. Willy, do you think a new government (after takeover) will put you in charge? Ha ha ha! You will be the first one executed because you have no work ethic and would make a terrible slave. Finally, all you people who raise the question of how anyone can work in an industry which “damages the environment.” C’mon, don’t be ridiculous. Are you serious? Can’t you come up with some better questions than that? You drive a car don’t you? Why not walk or ride a bike? Get real! I’m not saying I like Mr. Blankenship and more than Kennedy or even Gore, but I know the former employs a lot more hard workers than the latter do. Don’t know how I can even put Gore in the same sentence with Kennedy, shame on me, sorry about that. Although a crooked politician, Kennedy is so much smarter and more sophisticated than Gore, what I did should be illegal. Think of how dumb that makes us look. We gave him a Nobel Prize for writing some of the best comedy I’ve seen in decades. What are we thinking? Okay, back to the topic at hand. To all those people truly worried about the environment (not just the protestors looking for a fight), consider this. We can waste our time, spent tons of money, reduce our standard of living, etc. in order to preserve our natural resources and one Haiti earthquake, Katrina, or even greater natural disaster can throw it all in the trash. I agree we need to be reasonable with the environment, but is it worth making the 70-80 years we each live on this planet miserable considering that anything we do as humans really doesn’t matter once mother nature exerts her real power? Great forum, keep up the arguing!
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Janet
1/25/10 at 11:26 AM
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Willy/Earl whoever you are: You are a complete IDIOT!!! You obviously don't even have a high school diploma, you can't even spell. Pregnate is actually spelled pregnant!!! Topix = Topic/s etc.. get the picture? You obviously were at one time a UNION coal miner is what i'm gathering and so what you're actually saying is that it's ok to mine coal as long as you are UNION!!! Sounds like you are still holding a grudge. My previous high paying job went to India but you know what I GOT ANOTHER GOOD JOB. Life goes on, Get over it! Mercury? Last I checked it is not solely produced by coal alone. You obviously need to do a little more studying. Who knows you may even benefit from it, maybe you'll get lucky and find another good job!!! BTY, my kids and I are all in excellent health!!! Wonder if that may have something to do with eating right and exercising on a regular basis? And last but not least, NO MY HUBBY DOES NOT WORK IN BOONE COUNTY!!! Get a life moron, do something worthwhile!!! Evidentally, you don't have a solution either or Don would be your CEO!!!
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Rhonda
1/25/10 at 3:51 AM
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Beware! If you start a business in this country and it keeps making you more and more money, it will catch the attention of most liberals in Washington and they will try to stop your growth of your business. For some odd reason, they cannot handle someone doing well. Call it envy or whatever, but someone please tell me why liberals hate so much someone actually working hard and supporting themselves and their families?

It seems they want people dependent on govt for their basic needs. If this isn't so, then someone explain this weird phenomenon, because common sense people don't understand the problem here.
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Rhonda
1/25/10 at 3:42 AM
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Kennedy and his rhetoric would be believable if he wasn't on the side of Obama and his so called National electric grid he's all for. This would require destroying families, their lands taken and power companies destroying good land, streams, and animals, forests, etc...

But then the Democrats don't have a problem just as the environmentalists when it's for one of their 'pet projects.' A double standard again. These people like Kennedy are frauds. They don't care any more about the environment only getting their agendas completed to enrich their pockets. The whole EPA thing all along is to take more private property using the federal eminent domain clause to 'legally take what's not theirs.'

Just as Al Gore 'pretends' to care about the environment and all the global nonsense, yet they all drives SUV's, have their own personal jets, are against us owning guns, yet they carry them and on and on...The voters have finally seen enough and have caught on to their 'real' agendas. To make themselves richer and us poorer.
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Worker
1/24/10 at 3:12 AM
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Willy- I take it you don't like to be personally attacked, so I went back and re-read your posts. I think you should do the same, since you cannot seem to remember all the personal attacking of people that you have done. You may have peppered in a few facts, but alot of fluff too. Since you apparently have so much of an issue with WV and the people in this fine state, why did you come back?

I have no issues with unions. As a matter of fact, unions are great. I tend to think that maybe the problem was that your union failed you, maybe due to corruption, or the union officials had "gotten in bed with the company." So maybe the "goons" you referred to came from your side of the fence, and not the companies. Egos are a killer in places of authority.

I work in the aluminum industry since you asked. This industry uses alot of electricity, close to half of a companies expenses are for electricity. So, power and the need for coal mining are essential to this industry. Now, I do agree that we need to explore alternative electricity means, but this does not mean that we should abandon coal.
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Jeremy B
1/24/10 at 12:17 AM
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Will I am so sorry for not reading everything before I posted on you. I see why you are so angry. You lost your job and you know longer make any money off of coal. Ol Dinglebury Don busted you in the 80's. Will let it go. You are getting old and resentful and that is not good for a man of your age. Let it go that is the past. Just because you couldnt make it there dont mean everyone cant. I agree with you that Ol Dinglebury Don is a Dinglebury and he is bad news for the coal business. Dont put the Arch's, Peabody's, Consols and Alphas in that category. I have seen many benefits of those companies. My dad worked for Arch and retired and probably has better benefits than most since retirement. Sure the Coal Company's before pre-1977 where bad. I agree but today is a different picture is it perfect no but they are working towards that goal. Nothing is perfect. If we want energy which we all do. I dont think we want to be like the country's in africa. We are going to have to pick our poison. Someone is going to have to put Nuclear in their backyard. Believe me it is man made so it will fail. That is a risk we have to take. Windmills will also disturb the land. But to keep from being africa we will have to endure them also. Mining is not great but it is what have right now. I personally think we should stop using coal for energy because believe me we are going to need it for steel one of these days. To me energy use of coal is a waste. There is only so much of it and we need it for steel maybe not now but some generation will. Sure right now they say the coal they are burning right now is not good steel making coal. That is because better is out there. One day though the coal that is unfit will one day be. Anyway I am not going to say anything else on this. It is a pointless arguement. I feel bad for letting someone get to me. Anyway Will give it up bubby that was over 25 years ago. Its not good to be a bitter old man. Bad for your health. Just ask the lady who writes medical records.
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Jeremy B
1/23/10 at 11:48 PM
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Willie oh how we protray ourselves to be smart when we are an idiot. You know when you are a idiot and you try to make yourself sound smart you seem even dumber. Show me a mountain that doesnt have a peak. I wonder where mountain peak come from. I have walked many more mountains than you surveying. Plus I have seen aerial mapping on most of the state. No where have I ever seen a mountain the was flat and level for 200 feet or 2/3 of a football field as you say. I would loe to see it. It should be cherished. My opinion is that one is going to do the same thing as the other. You say there is a mountain 200 foot wide at its peak. Okay say I give you that where is 200 foot wide where is one long enough at that width to say put 50 windmills. I would love to see where they are going to put the windmills where they are not going to flatten a mountain. Think about it. You do good to find a place flat enough up in the mountains to put a cabin without taking a dozer and flatting it out much less a windfarm. Like i said one is going to be bad as the other. My email address is jay_s_be@yahoo.com get in contact with me I would love to see one that is that wide and that long that hasnt been disturbed before. Also you ask how much mountain would need to be taken down to get a 200 foot wide base. I figured a guy as smart as you would for sure know that. Since you dont know I will enlighten you. Say the mountain is 50 foot wide at the top I dont know the length it would take to put up a wind farm but just say they are 75 feet apart and you are putting up 50. That will be 3,750 feet. Basic rule of thump is a mountain slope is 50% steep. That is for ever foot up you have 2 feet vertical. Some place are steeper but we will go with the standard. Okay so you have a mtn peak that is 50 wide by 2000 feet long. That will be hard to find that length but I will give you that. So to get your extra 150 X 1750 you will have to go down at least 75 feet to get your width. I am going to say that you will have your width when you go down 75 feet since you will be going along the ridge and as an intelligent man you know it is not as steep as the sides. So what you end up with is approximately 1.5 million yards of material to go some where. So you being as smart as you portray on the subject that material has to go somewhere. This everyone is a small wind farm most are 400 or more that are proposed so you can do the math for yourself. Here is the formula. You take width by height by lenght and divide by 27 and you have yards that is displaced. Mine are a little short because I did 75 X 150 X 3750 giving best case. Since of wild willie already knew this I put it out there for you dummy's like me. I mean I am a city slicker you know us boys that live on the Mingo & McDowell border never seen or been in the mountains. Be sure to tell me the name of the mountain Will I would love to see it. Make sure you pick one that size that ol dingleberry don hasnt already flattened for you because those are useless for windmills since the wind stops blowing when the mountaintop has been lowered. Which is nonsense because anyone who has been on a strip has been the windiest place I have been since I was last on the empire state building. Yes Ol' Will the Big Citys of McDowell & Mingo are not the only cities this city slicker has been too.
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Ralph Payne
1/23/10 at 7:19 PM
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Only in America could a filthy rich exploiter of humanity and nature publicly admit to blatently breaking the law every day and remain free to break it some more. Blankenship should be arrested and thrown in jail. He should then be tried for crimes against humanity and nature and be given the highest sentence allowable under the law. He is the Appalachian Hitler.
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Willy
1/23/10 at 5:23 PM
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Again I am graced with someone who comes out and tells the real truth when questioned. As for time in the mines almost 10 years working general labor. Not walking back and forth in your expensive shoes you are so proud of taking someones xray. So yes I got the chestnuts, so guess its all about you working a high paying job and hubby working a high paying job. So both of you could live off your salary, so you could help clean up this environment for your kids. But the way it sounds you work he works, who cares about the future of your kids or anyone elses. Is a medical records technician 6 months training huh???? I know some people who are sanitation engineers it took them longer than that to learn to ride on the back of a truck. So we all get it hubby has a big job, big money, you have a big job, big money neither of you cares about yourself or the future of anybodys kids......again I ask anybody where is your facts this is good for the surroundings and all I get are insults.....what does that tell you is the truth and facts are on my side no matter how higher paying job you have or hubby haves and that you like wasting money on expensive shoes. So how about some facts it is good for the environment ....simple question.
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FED_UP W/ WILLY BOY
1/23/10 at 3:04 PM
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For your info lil pretty boy...My hubby has a 4 yr degree in Industrial Electronics. You sound like one of them lil pencil pushing office boys..who would die if they got a lil dirt on em. Or you don't have the chestnuts to go underground or work like a real man..as for me being barefoot..well honey my shoes cost more than you prob make in a week.. so ya know what? You can kiss my lil wv uneducated miners wife butt sweetie. Also i am a MEDICAL RECORDS TECH.. very high pay also...So just shut your lil mouth you lil punk..and get a real job!!!!!
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Willy, I'm with you..
1/23/10 at 2:03 PM
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..and every other working man and woman in this state and country who has felt shafted by big business and greedy politicians. freespeechforpeople dot org --look it up!
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Willy
1/23/10 at 1:52 PM
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THANKS HOSE FOR PROVING MY POINT OH YOU WILL GET ALONG GREAT WITH DON, this proves everything I wrote, the next stage is importing workers to take the jobs, you know like the scabs in the 80's. Here is one ready to work and bet he will take a 50 % cut now who is wrong. This is what you all want outsiders taking your jobs and you say well thats alright UNTIL IT HAPPENS TO YOU......this is Massey next step can't you all see it with all the subcontracting going on...............WAKE UP KY AND WV.

Well WORKER thanks for proving my point....where is all your facts about how MTR is good for WV and KY. All you could do is attack me directly. I Worked over 30 years and got laid off when massey had there goons busting the union. I was smart enough to leave here instead of bowing down to these slave drivers and went else where for work. Sorry if I mispelled a few words seems you got the message. Just ask JOSE what kind of work WV and KY are attracting he put it in his own post he left Mexico so he could come here and make big money and destroy pollute disrespect local peoples jobs and property cause he will work for less and could care less about the environment. HE CAME FROM MEXICO THAT IS RULED BY DICTATORS SO WORKING HERE WILL BE WHAT HE IS USED TO. WHO NEEDS A UNION. Everyone that I gave my opinion to with a few mispelled words were just fine with the FACTS except you. Do something with your life that helps your state or country not destroy it. So where is all your facts or let me guess you work in the industry mine is a non biased opinion.
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None of it Matters Now
1/23/10 at 1:43 PM
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After the ruling of SCOTUS this week, BIG Corporations (including those with foreign investors & interests) will now hold sway over all political action in the good ole US of A. You can now count on less taxes for big business, less regulations, less environmental protections & anything else deemed a "threat" to those multi-national corporations and their abilities to make huge profits. Look for less social services, less unions, less worker's rights & protections too. But hey, all is well, right? We can all get a job at Wal-Mart for minimum wage, or flip burgers at Mickey D's! (oh, and you better learn Chinese! :D)
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Jose'
1/23/10 at 5:39 AM
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I come this country from Mexico have work visa, help my familia/parents in Mexico give money and my American girlfriend. I work very hard and dangerous. Coal is blood of Wv and good for make the electricity. Who care air clean if no have the food? Plenty work here happy to have job like the U.S.A. soon marry her and have the babies all U.S.Citizens.
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Worker
1/23/10 at 2:56 AM
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Willy- Do yo work? Just curious, since you had so much time to sit down and make a post bashing everyone's belief's and freedom to express their views. I think you and some of the others on here that expressed themselves could be deadbeat tree-huggers. By the way, don't talk about other people's abilities and mental status, when your post is full of first grade grammar errors. I saw that belittling you were trying to do. I would love to be the one that kicked you butt out across the WV state border!
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Ken
1/23/10 at 2:08 AM
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I think everyone wants clean air and both sides should work together to acheive that goal over a period of time that will not hurt jobs for West Virginians and if it takes years to do it so be it. I will guarantee you one thing,let gasoline prices and heating fuel prices go through the roof and most of those screaming about carbon emissions will suddenly be asking the Government to do whatever is necessary to provide relief. Have we forgotten the gas prices in 2008 and early 2009??? lastly if our own Government had not taxed business to death and had not made it so difficult to obtain permits and beaucratic red tape there would be many more manufacturing jobs in this Country. Coal is the life blood of West Virginia and a much needed fuel source for America. Mr.Kennedy while a intelligent man has i will bet never had to explain to his family that his job had been outsourced or destroyed because of enviormental regulations that were done in haste. We do need Change in this Country but that Change must come about with common sense and not a rush in a direction that is not proven to work at the expense of jobs.

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Thomas James
1/22/10 at 10:47 PM
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Kennedy was prepared and cited sources readily to support his argument. Blankenship strives to bluff his way along and argues for populist sentiment rather than any form of honest, intellectual reasoning. He could have done himself a lot better if he behaved like a man in the office rather than a pizza boy stuck in traffic.

Kennedy's presentation carried the greater weight, in my opinion.
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Joe S.
1/22/10 at 10:37 PM
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THIS MESSAGE IS FOR THE MINERS AND “FRIENDS OF COAL”. Why is it you rally behind coal corporations, and more importantly a process that does anything but create a long term stable workplace in WV, and more importantly, creates a fractured socioeconomic legacy for your children? Why is it you support a process that poisons your communities water, air, and standard of living? I can’t understand how you can wrap yourself in a dogma that relies solely on your BLIND faith and undying support of a process that literally destroys West Virginia. Because of a Job…intriguing. I have, and always will be a West Virginian. I like many of you take great pride in being a native of the mountain state however; it is simply wrong what we are doing in the coal fields of West Virginia. Why do you deny the fact that coal can be mined underground, ridges can stay intact, and your precious jobs will INCREASE IN NUMBER! I have very few reservations with underground mining. Why is it you turned your back on WV rich history fighting corporation greed and control. Do any of you remember Sid Hatfield and the Matewan massacre as you preach the greatness of Don Blankenship? Why not try a wind farm in southern WV? We all know the answer to that one, that’s coals territory. Blankenship repeatedly stated regarding wind” If it could happen it would have already happened”. Wind Power in the coal fields won’t happen because all of you are blinded and led to believe that coal is our one and only option. Manchin, state senators and congressman, and most importantly coal lobbyist preach nothing but the greatness of coal, and refuse to open their minds to any other option and to acknowledge facts that tell OBJECTIVE lucid human beings that MTR leads to socioeconomic decline in WV. A windfarm means indefinite jobs; MTR jobs last the duration of the mine and that’s it…..until we blow up another mountain. Will there be biological destruction associated with the creation and maintenance of a wind farm…..Yes. Does West Virginia have to be manipulated into a moonscape in order to create a windfarm…..no. I have read several of the post; I have read the post of mining engineers, miners, and their family members, and I have mentally ingested entirely too much ignorance for one night. As a biologist, as a West Virginian, and as an intelligent human being I feel it necessary to say to you, the precious WV miner……. WAKE UP! I know you to are intelligent. If environmentalists get their way, you will have a job and your standard of living monetarily will remain the same or increase; your family’s health will only improve. As I watched the debate I witnessed the stereotypical Don Blankenship response, the same response I see every night I watch WV media and witness Friends of Coal rhetoric during Massey’s commercials. Don played the “heartstring” card, wrapped himself in the American Flag, and produced very few facts to augment his arguments. According to Don, environmentalists are leading to Sunday school teacher’s future addition to the endangered species list. Kennedy responded to questions with facts derived through the scientific method, an objective method used to elucidate fact. You can’t deny fact, and the fact is MTR mining destroys the biological legacy and future socioeconomic status of our state. Open up your minds to another option; you can keep your job and the state we love intact! And finally, what do you think God has to say about all of this? I’m pretty sure many of you will be spending some time in purgatory for destroying his/her creation.
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Willy
1/22/10 at 10:04 PM
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Well for starters one of the problems to begin with is the ignorant people who live in WV and KY. Who could ever agree with a man that gave himself a 15 MILLION DOLLAR RAISE after cutting all workers 6% to pay for a big raise. It is just like our congress they vote for themselves a raise and guess what nobody votes against it. Oh yes lets not forget Daddy Don also lost his vote on the courts in WV when they found him vacationing with one of the Supreme judges who now lost his bid to sit on the WV court. We all know who I am talking about if you don't know who I am talking about, you have no business being here. Don has busted the union in WV so now mining is more unsafe and pays less and he is your hero. Thats what he was trying to do, get a judge in his back pocket he spent millions in the last election or Massey did whichever way you look at it. I will be commenting on everyones opinion here read enjoy and wake up. I agree Dave lets let the people who are drinking poison water, breathing coal oxidized air and waiting for the local sludge pond to break (like many already have in WV). Let the people decide and educate them to what is going on, not with JFK JR OR DON. Tell them what is going to happen to there children that Massey is breading to crawl back in a COAL MINE HOLE.

Oh Peggy if you don't like these mountains find somewhere there is flat land you really believe MTR will bring schools and other such stuff in here. Is there not enough flat land to build here??? Have you never heard of the school they are building in Mingo County on top of the mountain. And ask the people who live at Red Jacket WV about MTR everytime there is a rainstorm....guess you live in a big city huh?

And for all of you that thinks Dingleberry Don is such a genius.....

HE GOT HIS START AT MASSEY AS AN ACCOUNTANT YES AN ACCOUNTANT HE WAS SMART ENOUGH TO WORK HIS WAY TO THE TOP CUTTING THROATS IN THE MINING INDUSTRY ASK SID YOUNG JR. SO HE COULD START GIVING HIMSELF 15 MILLION DOLLAR RAISES....TAKING FOOD OUT OF THE COAL MINERS MOUTH.

WHY NOT TAKE THAT RAISE DD GOT AND LETS INVEST IT IN THE SMOKE STACKS TO FILTER CARBON DIOXIDE. THEN WE IN WV AND KY COULD TELL THE NATION WE PROUDLY BURN COAL CAUSE IT IS CLEAN.

NO COAL PLANT IN THE USA HAS NO KIND OF FILTER ON IT IS THAT PLAIN ENOUGH.....GOOGLE IT IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME.

John I also worry about the health problems here in WV and KY and the growing pill problem here. Don't think Dingleberry Don prays on the unintelligent people in KY and WV? Well these two states have the worst problem in medicine abuse in the USA. Other states have moved on to from pills to other alternative meds like CA.

Likity you are on the right track Massey will gut the state of WV and leave it for the taxpayers to clean up. Don could have invested some of that 15 mil for research in GASIFICATION. Of course how many people even know what that is funny its never mention by DD or Massey but maybe they like things the way they are. They busted the Coal Union using scabs to drive the coal trucks when they were trying to get a good contract for better HEALTH and WAGES. Used local government then in the 80's to strong arm the union till you see what we have left. Now you breath the dust, risk your life and YOUR FAMILYS FOR HALF THE MONEY.

Good point Evan hope your kids feel this way 20 years from now see if they support lets gut it let Massey make the big money pull out here for the tax payers to clean up. And oh yes your kids, check there health in twenty years for your support of "I looooove to ignore the long-term in order to focus on the short-term. That's why I love Big Coal." Statistics don't lie about the health of people around here.

I agree Cyndi Solar, Wind, Water, Gas how many more resources do you need? And yes you say but we can't make big money(if that is what you call Big Money) with other resources. We can't risk our lives working these life threatening jobs. No you can start by getting your children educated using other alternative sources of energy. Yes it may be to late for you to educate yourself to a healthier life. But are you going to condem your children boy or girl to working in a death trap scab hole because YOUR PROUD TO BE A COAL MINER.....WAKE UP AMERICA.

Dirt-t-coal you are getting there way it looks coal is beginning to be worse than nuclear power AT LEAST YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR WASTE IS AND IT IS CONTAINED AND I AM DEFINETLY NOT A NUCLEAR FAN BUT ITS NOT BEING DUMPED IN THE WATER TO CLEAN NUCLEAR AND THEN THE DOUBLE TAP POLLUTING THE AIR AND THEN THE TRIPPLE TAP OF ACID RAIN.......

Charles good point the coal is mostly used for that because it burns so hot I have a few college degrees. Still doesn't take away from the fact that Dingleberry has broke the union and then gives free red neck concerts to see how many idiots he can get behind him cause ole Hank says so. And don't forget he gives your children a gift every Christmas sounds like a fair trade for their health.

BobB hey want to know where he lives come to the Wal Mart in south Williamson start scanning all the top of the mountains and you will see a Castle built on top of one of the highest mountains. All of Masseys BIG WIGS USE TO LIVE ON ROUTE 49 AT LOBATA BUT THATS TO LOW CLASS AND TO CLOSE TO THE FILTH WE ALL LIVE IN. As Dear ole Don puts it "WE".

bob dear bob that is just to easy, and then one big company can pillage and take your life away. Then all the workers couldn't wear those big stickers that say "I AM A COAL MINER AND PROUD OF IT" OR OTHER STICKERS. You get the pic.

Ralph only one thing worse than captilism and that is communism all coal people share the same opinion. They can look at a drift mouth and tell you how dangerous it is as they suck on there oxygen tank and watch there kids go off to work at a scab hole. And then tell you how safe and healthy coal mining is. Am I wrong?

CM I do agree the moderator was very biased but that is a simple problem to solve. Do like Massey if they don't measure up you don't even have to fire them. Do like Massey does union mines, shut it down wait for everyone to find a job. Then 3 to 5 years when all the workers are starved out and found other jobs reopen the mines. The ones that do bring law suites heck just pay them thats a drop in the barrel to Massey.

S. Boore only two things, what would be the profits of Kennedy trying to convince you they are other sources of power. Are you saying he is competing with WV for the energy contract. You really need to think this one over his interests are with the rest of the snobs located about 2000 miles north. NO big kennedy lover either while on the subject of kennedys. his UNCLE was assassinated and Johnson was the VP at the time owned a helicopter factory(you know the name) and the viet nam war was going on and Kennedy wanted the war to stop, that is another debate though just wanted to let you know maybe what this guy has behind him is he is trying to put in front of him. And the part about making a self energy house is not that far out think about it and this is on youtube. Energy generated by power only NEEDS TO COME DOWN IN PRICE. DO YOU LIVE NEAR A CREEK? DO YOU LIVE NEAR A TOP OF A MOUNTAIN? CAN YOU SEE THE SUNSHINE? I don't need to be smart a## but most people have just gave up on even trying to be energy efficient.

Good point Mary as if it wasnt bad enough we took this land from the original owners and it was bad enough the damage underground mining does.....destroying water wells, destruction to peoples properly from underground mining. Now they want to take off the tops to insure Dingleberrys blood line lives on .......I think you get the picture.....remember the castle on top of the mountain?

SLOWHAND APPARENTLY ONLY ME AND YOU SAW THE SAME SHOW. I APPLAUD YOU IN YOUR TRUTH AND HONESTY AND TO SEE THROUGH THE FOG.

And uh........John, Mr Kennedy has a medical problem as you can see a few post above you. Apparently you were paying more attention to the way his voice sound than what he was saying. I didn't notice anyone commented on Mr Blankenships fast food problem. Which is the second biggest killer around here. hmmmmmm sounds like you like Don and McDees.

Carol let me get this right Mr Kennedy was at the debate trying to get rid of coal mining ways so he could get a stake in solar, wind, water in WV. Few things wrong with that without the coal mining jobs who do you sell all this power to or do you run gigantic extension cords to New York. And Don running for governor that would be great he could take all the supreme court judges on vacation. CAN YOU SPELL CONTROL? Who knows he may get more control than massey had in the 80's. Sit down take a deep breath carol.

Mary you really need to do some good research on other alternative power sorry for the big words. Weigh what waste come from water sun and wind power and just what results you get from coal would not even start to compare. Shall I break it down for you. You destroy the MOUNTAIN. The mountain can't hold the rain water resulting in destruction of the LAND PEOPLE LIVE ON. You then clean the coal with MERCURY and a few more dangerous chemicals dump it in the stream you drink the water along with the 3 eyed tumored fish drinking the water. Now your contaminated and then you burn the coal, well guess what acid rain, pollution and global warming. HMMMM and you have to replace a solar panel every 25 years huh what was I thinking???

Bill hmmmm you work in the industry and you see no places in WV and KY that have been abandoned and since you gave us the facts that how awesome and mighty Massey are doing about 90% of the work. Hmmmmmm so Massey is responsible for 90% of the places that have not been reclaimed. If you call taking off half of the mountain and then spraying a little bit of grass, YOU CALL THIS RECLAMATION? SO WHAT HAPPENS TO THE TREES AND THE MOUNTAIN THAT IS GONE TO FEED OLE DON. I DO AGREE WITH YOU ON ONE THING. You said you were born raised and educated in WV. If things don't change please don't pass this curse onto your children.

As far as water pollution my dad helped save laurel lake when it was almost destroyed 20 years ago because of mine waste. LOOK AT IT NOW MY DADS GONE, WHO WILL HELP THE POOR LAKE NOW??

Dee dear Dee Mr Kennedy is trying to show you one of the best ways of mining is underground. It causes less damage than strip mining. Mr Kennedy didn't want to come off so strong with the truth that really neither are safe for the environment,, which is true both kinds of mining pollute either through MINING COAL, CLEANING COAL OR BURNING COAL. Guess were back to Mr. Kennedy is going to run a gigantic extension cord to New Jersey. Or maybe he is trying to secretly take over the coal industry well I guess we all see where this is going.

Judy I also applaud you, Dingleberry is a master on keeping the subject changed from his salary. Believe me Don learned this the hard way. He was on a local radio station taking call in questions and someone ask what was his salary.....back 5 years ago it was only 5 mil and Massey didn't like that getting out. They were afraid you wouldn't show up for your Christmas gift and Turkey and actually get smart to the situation.....the way they trade toys for your CHILDRENS HEALTH. As usual most would have the toys.

Ralph you are so right and you are only touching on it. If Dingleberry and Massey had there way you would be living in developments that the houses all looked the same and they gave you special money made out of aluminum and you spent it at there stores. Wait a minute hasn't that already happened about 70 years ago WITH MONEY CALLED SCRIPT? FOR GODS SAKE WAKE UP WV AND KY

Janet for the miners can you spell brain wash? You are worrying about the sewers and they are dumping Mercury in the water. Well last time I checked sewer was a natural thing, I haven't flushed any mercury that came out of my body or killed any fish with silt. In case you don't know what that is, it is very fine coal dust that stops up living water creatures gills. Haven't seen any of that coming out of any sewers lately. And your hubby don't have a big job in mining huh? Think hard is it worth condeming your kids health? Wait a minute though Don rose above poverty? Don don't know what poverty is better do your research or read my post again. He was a college boy, one of his first jobs was an accountant for Massey at Lobata in 1984 do the math. So where is all this poverty he is suppose to came from. Good try but no banana ever heard of a born with a gold spoon in your mouth. TIRED OF PROTESTORS TRYING TO TAKE YOUR PAY CHECK AND YOU DONT WORK IN THE MINING INDUSTRY? WELL TELL US ALL WHERE IT IS THEY ARE PROTESTING SO YOU WANT GET A PAY DAY? WAS IT WAL MART FAST FOODS ? I think we all know where your hubby works in Boone. NUFF SAID.

TERESA I agree after the mountains are gone what do you have left? No jobs a lot of clean up and a bunch of Ghost Towns.

Well spoken Terri after you loose the tourism from the mountains being gone and there is no jobs left and nobody wants to come to a filthy place where fish are dead in the water. All the land is destroyed then you lose the tourism......Good point Terri I hadn't even thought of it this way.

Well RC I have another way of thinking for you, you believe people are only worried about oh that poor little mountain will look terrible with the top off. Did you ever stop and think of the damage that is being caused because there is nothing there to catch the rain that has destroyed so many communities. Do you need examples, so now you say I don't care about how the mountain looks, guess you don't care about the people living down below do you? And I would be will to bet if you took a pole what you rather see half a mountain or windmill? ITS LIKE YOU SAID YOURSELF PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT HOW THE MOUNTAIN LOOKS, APPARENTLY I WOULD RATHER SEE A SAFE ENERGY EFFICIENT WINDMILL. LAST TIME I CHECKED WINDMILLS HELPED NOT HURT PEOPLE. AND RC YES WHEN IT IS IN PLACE IT WILL TAKE UP 200 FEET. THE AVERAGE MTR IS ALMOST A MILE, THERE GOES THAT THEORY. Oh I see RC where you are coming from now, all the family likes the trains well maybe thats why you don't like windmills.

Hey FED UP what kennedy says is true you think your so smart because your husband works in a coal mines? People like you are the reason education is down around here. Don has done you like a lot of men do there wives keep them bare feet and pregnate keeps them stupid......Just one questions have you got your shoes on?

BILL STEWART one of the best comments I have read on the board. FOR GOD SAKES PEOPLE READ HIS COMMENT TAKE A STAND FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE. SEE THE REAL FACTS ABOUT COAL AND HOW COAL COMPANYS LIKE MASSEY WANT TO KEEP YOU IN THE DARK LITERALLY. SHOW THEM WE OWN WV WE DONT NEED YOU TO TELL US WHAT TO DO DON DINGLEBERRY.

REALIZE MTR IS WRONG AND IF YOU CAN'T FIND A JOB LEAVE HERE IF YOUR SMART AS ALL YOU GENIUS SAY YOU ARE. HAVE SOME PRIDE FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE INSTEAD OF GREED LIKE DEAR OLE DON.

I RESPECT MR STEWART I ONCE LEFT HERE FOR THE SAME REASON AND NOBODY HERE IS BETTER THAN ME.

MARY good post I couldn't agree more on the fact checking that is.....I WILL BACK UP ANYTHING IN MY POST WITH FACTS JUST LEAVE A POST OF WHAT YOU DOUBT....ITS ALL ON GOOGLE.

BRENT HAWLEY I AM NOT EVEN GOING TO GO THERE YOU ARE AN ENGINEER BUT YOU WANT TO TELL US THE REAL TRUTH ABOUT COAL HELPS KEEP THIS COUNTRY SECURE. HOLD ON CAN'T CATCH MY BREATH FROM LAUGHING. PER SAY WE ALL WERE HOOKED TO A WINDMILL OR WATER MILL OR ROOF WITH SOLAR PANELS THEN WE WOULDN'T NEED AN ENGINEER WOULD WE. GIVE ME A BREAK THEY HAVE ENOUGH GAS SAVED IN WASHINGTON TO BRING DOWN THE PRICE OF GAS AND YOU TELL US HOW COAL HELPS SECURITY. WERE DUM BUT NOT THAT DUM. Only problem with your post is you should have got a degree in green but not enough time to go back to college so lets condem all the children to coal mining jobs so you and Don will have a job. I am not buying and apparently most of the people on this board isnt either.

Last but not least JEREMY B only one question. YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN A FLAT 200 FEET SPACE AT THE TOP OF A MOUNTAIN? I AM NOT EVEN GOING TO GO THERE. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO THE TOP OF ANY MOUNTAINS? GIVE ME A BREAK YOU NEVER HAVE SEEN 2/3 OF A FOOTBALL FIELD THAT WAS ALREADY FLAT? AND DEAR JEREMY IF IT WASNT WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO MAKE IT FLAT FOR 200 FEET?

WITH ENDING FINALLY ALL I HAVE WROTE IS FACTS DON'T CONDEM YOUR KIDS SO DON CAN LIVE AT THE TOP OF A MOUNTAIN IN A CASTLE AND MAKE 15 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. SUPPORT YOUR UNIONS TAKE BACK WHAT WAS ALWAYS YOURS........YOUR SELF RESPECT, DO THE RIGHT THING .....I WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS OR FACT BACK UPS AS NEEDED THIS WILL ALSO BE POSTED ON TOPIX.....THANKS....EARL
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C.W.Showalter
1/22/10 at 8:59 PM
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J Be- Good show !
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Walt
1/22/10 at 7:39 PM
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Anyone who can forget Blair Mt. and what the Coal Co. has done to West Virginia deserves what they get. How long will we let them take our souls. It has never been the miner's fault but some had the guts to stand up and say "No More". The mountains are our soul and our future. When will WE say "No More"?
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Kermit Adkins
1/22/10 at 5:58 PM
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I think Kennedy needs to shut his mouth and go back to Mass. while he is able to. He is interfering with a lot of peoples jobs. He knows nothing about coal mining or W.V. people. This is a person that was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. He has never worked a day in his life. The entire Kennedy clan are products of bootleggers,murders and thugs.
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Brenda
1/22/10 at 3:56 PM
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I am not in the mining field even though my grandfather died at the GLEN ROGERS mines with 4 other men december 9th 1957. He died for what we are now fighting about. Do you know what he died for? Feeding his family! I am lucky i work in a grocery store for the last 29 years at a fair wage, now my son he is not so lucky has to borrow money from me in between his unemployment checks, because he cant find a job in his field MOUNTAINTOP REMOVAL to pay his bills because MR. KENNEDY THINKS IT SHOULD BE DONE HIS WAY WITH WIND MILLS! So yes they get food stamps with my tax dollars but i can tell you something MR. KENNEDY he would rather be working on THAT MOUNTAIN TOP any day of the week instead of recieving a food stamp card. We are a poor state except for the coal, but lets not forget that my grandfather stood for something, all that he gave so the miners could suport their families in a proud and fair paying way. Don't let wind mills or any other fly by night ideas stand in the way any more. WE NEED JOBS IN THIS STATE NOW! When you figure out a way for us to make a living with out the mines let me know. No other state wants to come in here and pay a fair wage. So whats up with that? Can you explain it? I know what it is, ( B&O taxes). Jobs are few and far in between without help from welfare, unemployment, wic or another state ran program. That is not the way we want to live. I am proud of my state we are real people here not dumb coal miners, so don't say we don,t understand what coal is about. We live in one of the most beautiful states their is, and the mountains are our mountains not KENNEDYS! We need to stick together like my grandfather did to make things better for our children, and he gave his life for it! WASHINGTON is thousands of dollars away from WEST VIRIGNIA WAGES. MR. KENNEDY try living on 29 thousand a year, keeping a home, food and helping another family of four. I don,t hug trees because they are replaceable, grass is repalceable but jobs are not. I talked to a man the has worked at the mines for years inside and out, he explained to me what mountaintop removal does, he said during the process it does look bad , but once it is finished they replace the tree, grass and even make ponds for wildlife. Some you would not expect on top of a mountain, deer, rabbits, bobcats, pigs and ducks all on top of a mountain that was so steep it would not even grow a tree except out of its side between the cracks. We are reclaiming the mountain not leaving it stranded the way i feel after voteing last time, if i would have known that WV was known for its working coal miners to unemployed. I think my vote November 2nd would have been different. As i said before we need jobs to keep our young at home. SO THE WAY I FEEL MOUNTAINTOP REMOVAL IS A GO!
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J Be
1/22/10 at 3:06 PM
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Phala as California has shown in a area where no mining is if you get hit by a rain like that it doesnt matter if mining happened or not you are getting flooded. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We as American People need the truth. We dont need spoken to from people with interest of their own. We need the facts. I mean Al Gore sits here and goes on coal and his dad was Pres. and on the BOD for Island Creek Coal. If Island Creek Coal was around and his dad still worked for them would he be crying. No he is crying about Coal because he is getting rich from being Green. Just like Don is getting rich from Coal. I repeat WAKE UP!!!!!!!! We as the working man are getting poorer and jobless as these idiots are making fortunes. Americans should side against them all and take over this process and the politicians and get and want and unbiased truth and opinion.
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J Be
1/22/10 at 2:59 PM
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Let me tell you what I got from last night. Don Blankenship supports coal because that is his income from mining and Kennedy supports Green Energy because he has money put into them. Both where arguing there points because it helps them make money. The green people want the coal gone because coal is cheaper and more affordable. The miners want the enviro's gone so they can make more money. People of america need to think for themselves. I think America is getting hit with so many lies and the only happening is people like Don and the Kennedys get richer why us the working man get poorer. This is the truth any thing else has been a lie. I think Don made more sense.
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To Chris
1/22/10 at 1:24 PM
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Isn't that what the miners are doing? I mean it seems to me they did prove that mining coal is beneficial to the world. That's why you and everyone else have lights and power and have had for the past 100 years. So, unless you have a better solution yourself which evidentally you don't or your CEO would have been on the debate team trying to save your business. You need to just sit back and enjoy what you have and keep your mouth shut. You've probably never been to WV to even visit a mining site let alone know how one operates. I've been in and around all my life too and I know first hand that if the miners go under so does everthing else in WV. Think about it business owners, think about how you're making a living right now. 95% or more of your income is brought to you from mining coal for if it weren't for the miners where would you be? Could you survive in your business without them in WV? My friend is a store manager for a company in Boone County and she has said that if it weren't for all the miners that stop in and do business with them, they would go under for she couldn't keep her employees on payroll. Therefore the business would go under. So the money is staying in WV and that money pays most of our salaries for the occupation we have. Whether it be the store clerk waiting on the miners or maybe just a local furniture business. If the family has no income they can't buy from you either. You may not think about it now but wait, it will effect you one way or another. It's time you stand up and support your coal miners otherwise I hope you've earned and saved enough money to survive once the coal miners are gone. This is just getting way out of hand here in our state. I mean we've got people in our state trying to tell our government how to run our state, do we really need or want this? I mean windmills are not the way to go since that has already been proven ineffective years ago. We can't afford much more. Come on Governor, support your miners, coal is WV!!! How would the state survive without the coal miners salaries?
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Phala
1/22/10 at 12:41 PM
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I have always worked in and around the mining industry. First and foremost, we do need the coal to keep the lights on. At one time 57% of coal was used for electricty. But what is going to happen if we get the devasting rains like California? Where some of the hills have not been reclaimed, we are going to lose some communities. Look at the mountains behind Paige and the Kincaid area, it is terrible. If West Virignia coal industries vanishes, we are going to be like third world countries. My main concern, is there a solution? We do need coal but we also need are neighbors and friends.
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Shawn C
1/22/10 at 12:40 PM
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Coal is HORRIBLE for everything in the environment. Just listen to a few facts proven by science over and over again about coal mining:

Waste created by a typical 500-megawatt coal plant includes more than 125,000 tons of ash and 193,000 tons of sludge from the smokestack scrubber each year. Nationally, more than 75% of this waste is disposed of in unlined, unmonitored onsite landfills and surface impoundments.

Toxic substances in the waste -- including arsenic, mercury, chromium, and cadmium -- can contaminate drinking water supplies and damage vital human organs and the nervous system. One study found that one out of every 100 children who drink groundwater contaminated with arsenic from coal power plant wastes were at risk of developing cancer. Ecosystems too have been damaged -- sometimes severely or permanently -- by the disposal of coal plant waste.

Once the 2.2 billion gallons of water have cycled through the coal-fired power plant, they are released back into the lake, river, or ocean. This water is hotter (by up to 20-25° F) than the water that receives it. This "thermal pollution" can decrease fertility and increase heart rates in fish. Typically, power plants also add chlorine or other toxic chemicals to their cooling water to decrease algae growth. These chemicals are also discharged back into the environment.

AND MOST OF THE HEAT PRODUCED IN A COAL PLANT ISN'T EVEN USED TO CREATE ELECTRICITY! Much of the heat produced from burning coal is wasted. A typical coal power plant uses only 33-35% of the coal's heat to produce electricity. The majority of the heat is released into the atmosphere or absorbed by the cooling water.

Stop listening to their lies about how this fossil fuel(fossil in both type and usage) is the cornerstone of our state. We get solid winds from the great lakes over the entire Alleghany Plateau and Mountains. We could easily install wind power factories in our state. To the person who states that we don't have 200 feet of space to place a wind-power windmill, you do realize that is not even as large as a football field which is 300 feet long.

Do you realize that we are falling embarrassingly behind other states who are already using wind power? Look at this statement from OG&E's webpage(Oklahoma Gas & Electric), a company which services Oklahoma, Southern Kansas, Northern Texas and Western Arkansas:

"More than ever, consumers are making a strong environmental statement by subscribing to clean, renewable wind energy. Since 2003, we have helped our communities move towards energy independence by offering wind power as an efficient energy alternative. The addition of Centennial Wind Farm makes our program one of the largest in the country; its 170 megawatts of power alone generates enough electricity to take care of the needs of 51,000 homes." After this statement they then provide you with a link to allow you to subscribe your service to wind power. It embarrasses me everytime I tell people I am from West Virginia and they say "oh yeah, they're poor coal miners huh?" Let's stop being followers, stop falling way behind every other state at EVERYTHING and start making positives steps toward becoming LEADERS in our country where it counts!
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Morgan
1/22/10 at 11:40 AM
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First of all, I am a lifetime resident of Southern WV. I was borned and raised in the coalfields. I graduated with a civil engineering degree from WV and began to look for a job in this state that would provide me and my family with a good steady income. This was very difficult, every job I seemed to find required me to travel all over the state and sometimes out of state. For 9 years I worked on the road leaving my family every week to go off and provide a living for them. I was finally given an oppportunity to take a job in the coal industry as a professional engineer. This job enabled me to stay home with my family and come home to them every evening. I guess the point I am trying to make is that, what and where will all the miners that lose their jobs do for income in this state? Some of these workers only know one thing and that is how to mine coal, they have done for most of their life and made a good living at it. There is and never will be replacement jobs for these workers here in Southern WV. No. 1 we don't have the Highways to bring in the supplies for big industries and so forth mainly because of these tall mountains which make it much more difficult to build a mile of raodway here verses a mile of raod way in other states. If coal mining is discontinued in this state, you will see families moving out of the state to seek employment which will also result in all the local buisnesses losing their customers and buisness also. The truth of the matter is, we don't need to eliminate coal mining, we need to just get better at the way we mine it and the way we use it. People in this state that are against mining needs to stop for a minute and do some research and they will find out that somewhere or some way they benefit from coal mining whether it be directly or indirectly. Almost every single dollar that an employee in this state makes from wages they earn for mining coal is used or spent right here in this state. I love the outdoors as much as Mr. Kennedy does, but these outside poloticians need to leave the coal mining and mining regulations up to the state to control. Why gag at a camel and choke on a knat?? I support Coal Mining in WV and thank you Don Blankenship for taking a stand to protect the working coal miners.
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Kolminr
1/22/10 at 11:17 AM
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Alright one more quick post. I have to clear this up for people. I've read many reviews which talk about the wealthy people benefiting from coal because they own it. First of all, get over it. That's America. Wealthy people own everything, including Walmart. At least the coal mine owners pay better wages than Walmart. Secondly, how do you think Massey got the land? Do you think it was given to them by god or the government? I would seriously like to know where you think it came from. Enlighten me. Go ask the farmer who who made money selling or leasing the land to the coal company how unhappy he is that his land was mined? Finally, America was built on free enterprise. It makes this country churn. Everyone starts out with an education (that's more than a lot of people arond the world get) and you have the freedom to go from there (I understand that not everyone has the same chance starting out based on their individual situation). The more ambitious get rich and become owners of thigs. They employ the not-so-rich who didn't want to become rich (there's nothing wrong with that, weath doesn't equal happiness). The problem here is that big government and pure environmentalist make their living without employing anyone. They just want to take what other people have. Why would anyone support that? I support the government making laws to protect coal miners and the environment, but not taking their jobs away to support their own agendas. If politicians and environmentalists want to get rich, go sell what's yours and invest in a business. I know it's scary, risky, and a lot of work, but look at the reward if it works. That's America!
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Jeremy B
1/22/10 at 11:11 AM
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He has alot riding on them being successful. Plus you talk about putting windmills on top of Mountains. From what I understand they need a 200 foot wide base. I know of no mountain ridge that is 200 feet wide. If you want to make a base of 200 feet you will at least have to take 100 feet off a mountain. Where is that excess spoil going to go. It cant go back on the site windmills are going to got there. Thus you are putting it in streams or just pushing it over the hill. At least with surface mining not everything goes over the mountain just the swell or excess the rest goes back. Then Kennedy said Massey was going to ruin that mountain that nothing could be put on it after he mined it. What I cant understand is why cant Massey strip the Mountain and then put the windmills on it. The enviros act like that wont work. Why wont it work. Does the wind stop blowing when the Mountain has been mined. Mining is no different than buildint the site for the windmills. If the wind does stop blowing because the disturbance then what good is a windmill on a mountain that the wind wont blow on. Makes no sense to me. Teresa you have to be crazy to believe that. What I think is going on there is something natural that you are explaining and that is called erosion. All creek banks do that. Trees get old and die. And to the guy who the only thing that he can make fun of about Don is the mustache. Get real. People are weird everywhere just watch an episode of Cops or Dog the Bounty Hunter. What I thought was interesting and why they are pushing windmills so hard is that Kennedy said he invested in them.
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Kolminr
1/22/10 at 10:56 AM
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I just sent in a long post. When my wife read it, she asked me the following good question; "what's everyone's solution or alternative?" Well, obviously the solutions differ for people with different views. Here's the way I see it, and let's be honest everyone, none of us are perfect and we are all out out to protect what's ours, right? The environmentalist's (not the environmentalist who actually enjoys the environment but the one who protests MTR mining permits for a living) solution is that they have no solution. Very seldom do they offer an idea which can satisfy at least some of the concerns from both sides and they have yet to come up with a good alternative. They just want to "stop MTR mining period." Plus, if they had a solution, they would be out of a job (protesting) so they don't want to come up with any solutions or alternatives. If a solution happens to arise, then they have to go find something else to protest (which is work), so their incentive is to prevent any possible solution. If they can't, they will just begin protesting the alternatives (wind mills kill birds). The polotician's solution, which should be very obvious to any American voter, is the alternative to MTR which supports their political and personal agendas. Nancy Pelosi personally owns an interest in natural gas and wind mills, so her solution is to use natural gas and build wind mills so she makes more money, can you blame her? Obviously she doesn't realize natural gas is a fossil fuel which we have to actually drill for which makes her a hypocrite. The mining industry's solution is to continue mining coal under the rules and regulations set forth by the EPA, OSM, and other governing agencies. They invested their money and want to continue mining to get a return (we all want a return right?). Nobody in their right mind would open a MTR job without a permit, and nobody has. They continue to invest whatever it takes to legally conduct business and if they never get a return, they are SOL (hey they knew the risks, or at least they should have). Okay, for those who read all of this, you at least deserve a realistic answer. Keep in mind, I am a coal miner, so this hurts. The real long-term solution is nuclear. Obama knows this. That's why he's quietly allowing new plants to be permitted while putting coal on the hot seat (sshhhhh!, he has to keep this quiet for a few more years or he won't get re-elected). It's not going to happen overnight, but until we have a major scientific break through with solar, (and I don't mean solar panels, I mean serioulsly harvesting the sun's energy), nuclear makes the most sense. Fortunately, we still have to mine uranium so I might be able to find a job (seriously the transisiton won't happen in my lifetime). Over 100 years from now when 50% of the electricity in the US is generated from nuclear rather than coal (which is the case today), environmentalists will still be protesting (environmentalists protesting nuclear?? nah really?) and politicians who didn't bet on nuclear will be trying to take down the nuclear power and related industries. At least maybe by that time, the few coal miners still needed will finally get some rest (don't forget we need coal to make steel also and NO we aren't finding an alternative for steel anytime soon).
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Chris Nickle
1/22/10 at 10:55 AM
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I love how you feel the need to be self righteous in your comment...There is no need to let us all know how educated and intelligent you are, we can tell from your literary talents. I think what the debate is over my friend, is a change for the future. We can control change within our own "BOARDERS" (as you spell it) not outside. I agree with your national security debate to a certain extent and I get it, but there are other ways to obtain than goal than pushing coal mining to the places we are seeing it exist. Smarter thinking makes for smarter decisions. It is proven that Coal mining is bad for the environment, sure it employs millions of jobs in North America, but so does the manufacturing process of Cigarettes, are we going to continue solely based on jobs. No, we can not. It's not smart. We are all by-products of the path that has been laid for us. I, at this point am using a keyboard that ideally has something made from coal, and this evening I will get in my very Non Hybrid Car that almost definitely has coal in its genomes, does that make me a hypocrite, no it proves that I am an informed person who is asking for smarter thinking for smarter decisions. You seem to be very biased on this subject for the mere reason you work in the coal mining industry. If you were as intelligent and educated as you lead to be, why not take a job that actually proves good to this world, not defend an industry that has proven to effect this world in a negative way. Just wondering? But here I am just one "Uneducated Canadian fellow" with some views.... who am I?
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Kolminr
1/22/10 at 10:09 AM
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I was unable to listen to the debate live and would love for WOWK to replay the recording. Obvioulsy I am a coal miner, but I'm not as biased as some (okay, maybe I am). I have a mining engineering degree, and my entire education was based on science and proofs. I would like to see the science which indicates that MTR mining (which is only a temporary event) creates a more seriouls long-term threat to the environmental than any other form of more permanent construciton which changes the landscape permanently such as highways, commerical real estate development, wind mills, or even farms for that matter (should we stop farming too?). I have no doubt that the mining process itself (which is relatively short lived) stresses the environment. I treat water for a living. But, when completed, the landscape is restored to original, and often better, condition. In some cases, instead of opening new ground for a road or shopping mall, we re-use the mined area, which kills two birds with one stone. Everybody likes roads and malls, even environmentalists, right? Speaking of environmentalist, there are two types; (1) those who wanna hide from the real world and try to make a living by taking it away from someone else who works harder than them and (2) those who genuinely want to protect our environment. I would guess that most of first type probably drive a hybrid (or have considered one), have a soft job (probably service or politics, they don't manufacture anything and will certainly never be the principal of a successful company with actual employees), and make everyone believe (including themselves) they don't need electricity, roads, TV, the internet, etc. As for the second type, I know a lot of them. they work at the coal mines I've worked at. Most of them enjoy outdoor activities, such as hiking, caving, rock climbing, rafting, and other hobbies which allow them to enjoy their beautiful environment. At the same time, they all recycle, live in modest homes, and most of all, inject a lot of tax money back into their local economy from their good-paying job. I think we need to redefine the word environmentalist. I would bet there are more coal miners than politicians who are environmentalist. I want to conclude by asking all of those readers who are neither a coal miner or politician this simple question. Who would you rather side with, a coal miner who may be exploiting the environment (in the short term) to put food on his table and send his kids to college or a politician who is exploiting YOU to do the same thing? Let's take it to a higher level to include Mr. Blankenship and Mr. Kennedy and rephrase the question. Who would you rather side with, a coal mine executive (or even principal) who may be exploiting the environment (in the short term) to put fuel in his airplane, heat his summer home in Florida, and send his kids to "private" college while also supplying thousands of good American jobs to people who want to work for a living or a politician who is exploiting YOU to do the same except failing to provide any jobs (in fact, they are taking them away)?
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Brent Hawley
1/22/10 at 8:34 AM
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I would like to start off by disputing Mr. Bob Kincaid’s comment of the “manifest ignorance” of the coal industry. I Mr. Kincaid am a highly educated Civil and ENVIRONMENTAL Engineer, from Virginia and working in the coal industry by choice not because of any misconceived notion that I am bound to the mountains of WV due to my lack of intellectual capacity. The statement that “The whole world is laughing at you” referring to the Friends of Coal organization shows how truly ignorant you, as well as your misinformed, band wagon cohorts actually are. You claim that Don contradicts himself by stating a desire for national security then selling coal to China and India. You obliviously don’t quite understand how national security is achieved or where the biggest threats to our country exist. National security is compromised when our country relies and is dependent on goods through exports. This is the case with Middle Eastern oil; we as a nation rely on this oil for our way of life. Importing oil from the Middle East opens our boarders to terrorists, financially fuels governments and societies that wish us harm, cost the US numerous jobs, and negatively affect our economy. If we are forced to continue to rely on external means of energy the previously stated issues will continue to escalate. By exporting coal and other resources we actually improve our security due to the simple fact that we are able to achieve a level of independence as well as create dependency of other nations on a product produced here. Now as far as our environment, the last time I checked the US, China, India, etc. share the same atmosphere. It is an absolute FACT that coal produced in the US is more environmentally friendly, cleaner burning, and extracted in a more safe manner than in any other nation on this planet. So why then, if you enviro’s are so truly concerned about our atmosphere do you continue to attack the US coal industry? If your actual motive was environmental protection you would promote more mining in the US and more exports to foreign nations in an attempt to slow production in less or un-regulated countries. The enviro movement is so disconnected with reality that they support technologies that will kill more US jobs, that in most cases completely lack any form of practicality, and most importantly lack the ability to improve anything. For instance, you promote wind mills as the savior of our energy needs, yet you forget or are ignorant to the fact that large windmills are constructed from steel. In case you haven’t heard steel is the combination of iron ore and carbon, the carbon comes from coke that is produced solely from coal. You claim that coal mining destroys the natural landscape and the mountains, while coal miners reclaim (rebuild) the mountains once operations cease. Your windmills however are permanent installations and I for one would rather see a reclaimed mountain that has growing thriving vegetation on it rather than a treeless mound covered with steel blades. Your windmill solution is not only ridiculous but it contradicts everything you claim to want to fix and by the simple fact of the need for steel, windmills are actually dependent on coal. In closing it is my opinion that the promoters of the current enviro movement are the nations largest group of brainwashed nuts that follow lawyers and politicians from cities and states that were built on and with coal, and cannot continue to prosper without coal. You are a group of hypocrites that use coal and coal by-products every hour of every day for your way of life. As far as im concerned if you truly which to discuss an end to coal mining you should go to your house, cut your electricity off, quit driving your steel framed car, women should quit using cosmetics (they are made from coal by-products), remove all steel from your home, then remove practically everything else from your home due to the fact that coal energy or coal steel was used in the manufacturing of practically everything you have. Do all of that, then we can talk, until then you should keep your ignorant, misinformed, and harmful conclusions to yourself.
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Mary
1/22/10 at 6:59 AM
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It would be interesting to tabulate the claims made in a transcript of this debate, along with a fact check of each detail. Example: Kennedy claimed using coal creates lots of mercury pollution. Blankenship says, "Not so." What does the data say? Does it matter if one might be talking about all use of coal, and the other just about mining? Will we need to use electricity created by coal in order to manufacture the paraphanalia required to collect the "free" solar rays? Will that equipment really last "forever"? Does the earth contain enough "rare earth" and other minerals needed for the equipment that captures renewable energy? Will mining those materials (and they are mined) create new horrors that we are not yet equiped to deal with? Why is it an orderly switchover from one form of energy production to another not considered more often - like putting wind farms on reclaimed mountaintop mines. North Dakota may have enough wind for us all but it would be kind of silly to depend on wind farms in North Dakota only. One good bombing run, one severe ice storm, one calm day could wipe it all out. Maybe phasing in the renewables as soon as possible and practical enabling us to have multiple methods of power generation longer. Coal will eventually be used up. It which generation would you like for it to be gone? Or should we all just continue to yell at each other about either-or?
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Dyeend
1/22/10 at 6:47 AM
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Whether you’re on Coal’s side or the Environment the fact remains, we want our energy problems fix but don’t put in your back yard. Sorry can’t have your cake and eat it too. Our government and the jokers of the G2O is looking at us( the USA) at the worlds polluter when in fact we have some of the toughest laws in the world , which is the cause no new industry with higher paying jobs to come to our state. My husband works for a waste coal power plant and his company also has a wind power plant. The POWER PLANT employees more that 200 people and the so called green jobs(wind power) employees 2 people.

So how are these green jobs employing more people? I don’t see it.
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LOL
1/22/10 at 6:09 AM
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..and what's with that dude's pederstache? He looks hilarious! No wonder people make fun of West Virginia!! BobKincaid is absolutely right!
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Bill Stewart
1/22/10 at 5:14 AM
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I wish to stop mountain top removal. I'm willing to do whatever it takes to protect our environmental future, even if it means leaving WV to see work.
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BobKincaid
1/22/10 at 12:27 AM
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Had the evening's "debate" been a prizefight, it would've been called in the second round. Poor Don Blankenship was so out-classed, out-maneuvered and out-brained that it was almost painful to watch his greasy, squirming attempts to dodge the logical punches Mr. Kennedy landed on him.

Blankenship got the first word and even screwed THAT up. If, as Don claims, we need coal "for national security," then why is he selling fully a third of what he rips from Appalachia's hills to the Chinese? And now he's got a new deal to sell it to India, as well. Well, Don, which is it? National security or lining your pocket selling us out to the Communist Chinese? As the old saying goes: "You're entitled to your own opinions, but you aren't entitled to your own facts." Don apparently didn't learn that one in all the woodshedding it took to even make semi-coherent babble come out of his mouth for this event.

And, finally, what a delight it is to see the coal mob put its manifest ignorance on such broad display. Concerned with nothing but their own well-being and unconcerned with the rest of us, not to mention West Virginia's future, they prattle in this forum using ad hominem attacks, misconstruing the facts and embarrassing the entire state of West Virginia in front of the entire nation. Keep it up, "Friends of Coal!" You're doing a great job! The whole world is laughing at you.
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FED-UP w/TREEHUGGER'S
1/22/10 at 12:16 AM
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My Poor underpaid coal miner just got off work this morning at 8.AM. Slept for a few hours,then we went to grocery store (walmart). All i seen walking around were filthy,nasty,dirty people. You could tell these people didnt work anywhere,or have ever worked. We were looking at TV's here comes a couple all covered in tatoos kids filthy buying a 46 Inch big screen tv. Cart full and pushing another full of food. (junk food) I hear one lady say to another lady...i'm have to goto food part of store..i DONT HAVE ANY MONEY..and i gota get some snacks...well folks she wasnt stealing it..The good ole MTN state card agian.....These people are what you people call tree hugger's..tree hugger's = ssi,rich mommy and daddy,or they have been raised on welfare and know nothing else. If they worked they wouldnt have time to hug a tree. well my poor underpaid coal miner pays for this crap. So do the MTN killer miner's. But ya know what they are not sitting on there butts watching big screen tv's and drinking beer. While bumming off other's.(they work for the beer and tv) They are WORKING and working very hard too. These guys hardly ever see the wife and kids. Get very lil sleep or get to enjoy anything in life but work. I just get so freaking sick and tired of these lil punks hanging from trees like monkey's, and lil rich girly guys like Mr. K , coming here and trashing our men. Trying to cause our kids to loose everything they have. That dirty ole coal provides..food,shelter,and education for my children. Ya know what ya lil tree hugging freaks you guys are hurting these miner's children.. And let me tell ya something,they love the babies..your gonna run into the wrong Coal Miner one of these days on MINING PROPERTY or off. And your gonna see just how crazy the good ole WV COAL MINING boys can get. These lil city boys have no idea what a good ole backwoods wv hillbilly butt whoopin is all about. These men are doing nothing but working to feed the kids. Leave them alone, stay off the PRIVATE FEDERAL MINING PROPERTy!!!!!! My husband goes underground 12 hrs a day 6 days a week and works his butt off. So do many other men. They dont wanta come home and see some punk from new york that has never worked a day in his life and will never have too. Trash talk him,our state and try to cause him to loose his JOB. Our miner's are not dumb,uneducated,lazy or underpaid. I dont understand why some of you say you agree with this man...he just called us (you) a bunch of uneducated poor hillbilly's...I say just hop back on your lil private jet and jet it back to NEW YORK CITY..and freaking leave WV COAL MINER"S alone. as for being underpaid...we'll if you think 31.00 hr plus overtime, and bonuses is underpaid..you must have been born a millionair..oh thats right he was. Get a life people if you honestly think that a man like him gives a crap about our planet,kids or our state...then you are sadly mistaken.. Its all about how much MORE fat his lil wallet gets..So anyway unplugged your laptop and shut off your lights hug a tree and shut up!!!! Go plug your lights into that big fat oak outside,sit and wait...wait....wait...did the lights come on? Nope just sits there sucking up water and CO2..The same Carbon Mon you spit out when you trash talk our miner's. One for that dirty coal you couldnt get on here and trash talk our miner's. So if your so agianst coal..turn off the lights..climb a MTN put up your tent and have a nice life..Dont need water most of you dont bath anyway. Dont worry you can ride your bike to the nearest walmart to buy your food with your EBT card . Or to your nearest clinic to get your pills, and mental evaluation..so you can still get your check from the Gov. Don't worry you wont loose your check or lil pink card..my husband, and MTN killing Miners are at work as i speak so the money will be coming. As for the ones who will say im not trashing the miner's just big coal...well that big coal writes the paychecks for our miners. So back off our men and let them work...we are very very proud of our husbands and children who work for us. and work to keep the heat and lights on. ...TO OUR MINER'S..WE LOVE YOU AND THANK YOU FOR THE HARD WORK YOU DO EVERYDAY. MAY GOD BE WITH YOU IN THAT DARK OLE HOLE..OR ON THAT MTN TOP..WE WHO KNOW WHAT YOU DO AND HOW YOU RISK EVERYTHING FOR YOUR FAMILIES...LOVE YOU FOR IT..STAY SAFE GUYS. AND PLEASE COME HOME TO US... GOD BLESS OUR MINER'S
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Jason
1/21/10 at 11:12 PM
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Most of the posts are from typical liberal west virginias. There the type of people who voted democratic because they thought the dems loved coal. Now they will vote for the dems. because they hate coal. You can't have it both ways you either love it or hate. If you hate it turn your horses the way you came in and get out of town.
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C.W.Showalter
1/21/10 at 11:05 PM
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Kennedy seems to think West Virginia ends with coal. Natural gas use is very low here. Marcellus shell is all under West Virginia. We can fully change over to natural gas and do the same for the next 100 years of growth. We can use that time to reclaim all old mine sites. Reclaiming mine sites also makes for jobs. We will not be last when coal runs out. Coal with be here for another 100 years or so, and we will all do the best we can until that day comes. If you want green, turn on the 92 wind mills in Greenbrier county. If you want clean water, then build more waste water treatment plants for more communities with that coal tax money. We with our poor waste water treatment is the main problem for our drinking water, not coal mining above or below ground. We can fix anything we want too. We are West Virginia's best, and we can do anything. Showalter Micropower 2010
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Samantha
1/21/10 at 11:05 PM
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Well, frankly, I don't care that much for Big Don, and I don't care much for Kennedy. The bottom line is that coal is a good thing in our country and my state. It creates jobs. Jobs are precious in the Southern part of WV and having a mining job means that you are going to earn enough money to buy a home, vehicle, clothes and provide for you family. Does mining effect the enviroment? Yes, it does, BUT, no more than can be helped. There are toxins from just about everything. Mining industries have taken it upon theirselves to try and make the water as clean as they possible can. Do accidents happen, yes, but they resolve it as best they can. Most of the lawsuits talked about are from people who have been compensated, but want more money$. People need to realize that coal is NOT a dieing resourse, there is plenty of it to find in these mountains, but we have to have underground and mtr to get it. There are mines around here that have been working for over 50 years. MTR grows back people. Think about it. The livelihood of a lot of WVians depend upon coal. Don't sit on your couches and say it should be outlawed. Think of all the men, women and children who depend on it to live by. My husband runs a Coal Loader and I am very proud to be his wife. If he were to lose his job, we would be in a world of hurt. He has no other training or talents that he could persue. We have 3 children under the age of 7 who would hurt just as much. So would it be better if we just sit back and signed up on welfare? drawed a check each month? depended on crazy Obamas health care? No. I hope it never has to come to that. So, I just say, Keep on laying it on em Don!!
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Dee
1/21/10 at 10:33 PM
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WHY TO GO JANET FOR THE MINERS....
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jimmy guess
1/21/10 at 10:26 PM
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rather you like or dilike either nothing was accommplished with this debate the fact of the matter we have people live as long as to age around these mines as we do all over the world Kenndy talked about ny that all there rivers was polluted why is he here tring to tell us how to live when our water is cleaner than theirs.Why did we here that this land is useless when we know that thats a lie I can show you places in martin co ky that was once mtr that now house an airport a federal prison soon to have 150 homes and motel and the dreams are unlimted another place houses stone crest golf course 18 hole with bent grass fairways and greens that grows everyday on this poison soil it also houses a riding rink with about a 100 stall horse barns high school baseball field 3 little league fields youth soccer field and about 50 nice homes pikeville airport is built on mtr job so when kenndy said it was useless land I don't think he knowed what he was talking about so if he did'nt know what else did'nt he know we have mined coal for many years with no problems but now that al gore can make a fortune its all of a sudden its all bad I think a sinner is someone who betrays god not a person tat extracts a natural resorce that god gave us any I don't like being called a sinner from people that has let a state get away from god .Nothing was accomplished from this debate just more iffy questions
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R.C.
1/21/10 at 10:19 PM
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It's interesting to see how divided people are on this issue. I think both sides have good points. Yes, we should try to protect our environment, but with common sense. People who want strip minning banned all use the same basic argument. They say it violates the mountains, and destroys their beauty. Which is better, to level off the top of a mountain to erect windmills, or level off a mountain to dig the coal out? If one of them is bad, then they both should be bad. At least when strip minning is finished the land will eventually become forested again and also be usable for other things. Once a windmill is in place, it is permanent and the mountain top is permanently changed. What about all the trees that have to be removed to make room for the windmills? To me this is much worse to look at. Also, once the windmills are constructed, how many permanent jobs will there be, and how many milles of mountain top will be littered with windmills? My family and I are not coal minners but come from a line of railroad and machine shop workers. Why has no one brought up the issue of mine related jobs in West Virginia. They only mention the total number of coal minners, but what about all the machine shops who exist soley to manufacture and repair coal minning equipment? Also, what about all the small businesses who make and supply minning materials, independent coal truck drivers, tipple workers, railroad workers, etc.? I believe that no matter what side of the issue we are on, we should consider all the people who would be affected by banning strip minning. It reaches much farther than most people think. One last point. If a coal company is in violation of a law that truly harms people or their drinking water, then they should pay dearly. If these violations discussed tonight were really harming the environment or people then I believe the government would do more than just issue a small fine. That tells me that the violations must not be reasonable or serious. If so, then the government is just as responsible as anyone else for allowing these coal companies to continue to eperate while in violation.
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HD
1/21/10 at 10:17 PM
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Had to miss this debate due to a prior commitment but would love for WBOY to replay several times and then I would ask Mr Cary and the State Journal to co-host with the Huntington Herald Dispatch or Wheeling Intelligencer another discussion with The Governor, a different coal operator, a Sierra Club Rep , a UMW Rep and a Pulmonologist to discuss for an hour the Future of Coal in America. Blankenship versus Kennedy is like asking Rahm Emmanuel and Karl Rove to debate politics.
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bulldog
1/21/10 at 9:56 PM
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Kennedy an environmentalist ???? You have got to be kidding. He flies all over the world in a private jet , drives an suv and the Kennedy clan is leading the fight against clean wind energy off the Massachusetts coast because it will spoil the view from the Kennedy compound. What a hypocrite !! He is just trying to figure out how to get more government money for some foundation that he is the chairman of , that's what the Kennedy's do , they live off government money. Kennedy's never work , they figure out a way for us to keep them in the style of which they are accustomed. Parasites , all of them !
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Teri Dalton
1/21/10 at 9:53 PM
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First of all, fail to WBOY for cutting Robert Kennedy Jr's closing arguments short. That's just insulting. Second, anyone who thinks that Massey did a good job is as dumb as he is. Massey didn't really argue the points. He wants to warm everyone's hearts with his stories of how he keeps jobs in WV. News Flash, coal is a limited resource that keeps WV as a third world state. Third world countries export natural resources to other industrialized countries to make actual products. They remain third world because the money is in the finished products not the resources. We can hang on to this dying industry and continue to pollute our forests and streams or we can move on to industries that can support our state and our second biggest industry which is tourism. Pretty soon our first industry is going to die off and take the second industry with it. Is anyone aware of what the third industry is.....I didn't think so. BTW, attacking a man with a disorder (Spasmodic dysphonia) is just low, not funny, just low. Its also by the way a logical fallacy, so try making some points rather than attacking the person.
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Theresa
1/21/10 at 9:47 PM
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I live by the Mud River and the coal slurry pond on the upper part of the Mud River is causing severe erosion and damage to our property. The trees are dying along the banks and the banks are collasping and our lands are flooding. My Aunt lives in Tornado beside the Coal River and suffers from the same small mindedness and inconsideration for that river and the people who live by it. Just how much damage do the Blankenships in this story intend to do in the name of jobs!! How about a little respect for the property owners and citizens who aren't coal miners. How about a little respect for the lands and the heritage of this beautiful state. What about the annihilation of the southern part of the state. Just fly over and see the damage that is done by mountaintop removal! It is disturbing that a man like this has no respect for anyone but his filling his pockets at our expense.
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Teresa
1/21/10 at 9:37 PM
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I live by one of those streams and this coal slurry is polluting the rivers to the point that all the trees are dying and the river banks are collapsing and our land is flooding. Just how much damage do these coal people expect to do before they have enough money. They are running people right out of this state. Who wants to live in a State where the government does nothing and sits idly by while a few greedy businessmen destroy our most precious beautiful posession, our lands! We can either make this State's beauty work for us and dazzel the rest of the country with our beautiful hills and streams, or let it be destroyed by greed. Just fly over the southern part of the state, it is fast being annihilated!
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Janet for the miners.
1/21/10 at 9:27 PM
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I think Don did a wonderful job. He made more sense than that babbling wealthy rich boy that was born in the money . Don actually grew up in and around the coal mines all his life. At least he covered the real issues surrounding what Kennedy is suppose to have but really has no knowledge of. I totally agree with Don, you want clean water. Report your neighbors for their raw sewer running in our creeks, rivers and streams. I did. Walk up and down the river banks and creeks in your towns and cities. I played on the river banks in Seth, WV where I grew up. I know what's there. As far as Kennedy claiming that all of Whitesville was bought out and forced to move. That is so far from the truth. Yes, they are not as active as they once were but the oldies are still in business today because of the coal miners. Interview the business people in our coal mining towns and they will all tell you that the reason they are still in business is because of the coal miners. What are the people going to do when all are out of a job. No seems to care that we are a state among the lowest crime rate. Because idol hands are the devils workshop, that's why we that still have morals teach our kids right from wrong and nurture them to because good, productive, citizens. Can Kennedy say that about his great state of NY? NO!!! I support each and every coal miner in this great state because without them there would be no WV. You people come on here worshipping this man when all he is doing is getting backed and paid by some politician that sent him here to try to get us to support him in his campaign because more than likely he is trying to set himself up to run for some kind of office and wants your support. I totally agree with Don and no my family doesn't work for Massey. I didn't hear Kennedy mention anything about our Govenor giving himself a raise but I heard plenty about Don's wages. Sounded to me like he was jealous because this man rose above poverty and has become a millionaire through his own success, his own abilities. He doesn't have to give back to us but he does in more ways than most know. Most of you on here have never been to Boone County. Why not come do interviews with the people from various locations on big coal river, come out and talk with our local business owners get the facts about how our coal miners contribute to our communities. Most of you are just relying on second hand numbers given to you by someone else. What really ticks me off the most is the wages that Kennedy assumes the WV coal miners make. I didn't see any documents anywhere supporting anything either had to say but I did hear Kennedy say that Don Blankenship was an honest man. I don't know either of the two but I do agree with Kennedy he did seem to be an honest man. At least he wasn't all over his seat and stuttering for answers. He at least does seem to look at things from a whole and I'm about sick and tired of these protestors coming into certain towns trying to stop our paychecks. You blame everything on our economy as to why people are on welfare yet you're trying to put these men and women out of a job. Also, I am a very healthy Boone County resident, I've lived here all my life but the fact is most people in the state and overweight and most are diabetics so you can't say that they are diabetics because they are coal miners. No facts have been produced to link coal to cancer either. My brother has asthma also, has had all his life but my mother has never been told that it was ever been caused by coal. That poor little child that is so afraid to sleep at night because he is afraid of the slurry pond. That's because this is what he is being taught from his parents. If they were that concerned about their child, they would move. I know I would if this was truly effecting my child. Children learn what they live. I know that not all kids live by the same standards in their adult lives they were taught but most do reflect back on what they were taught from their parents early on. Plus these poor children climbing these trees, 23, 19 yr olds. They haven't lived long enough to know what's even going on around them. They too are out to get paid for their productivity. They should be in college, learning, not hugging trees for God sake. Go back home Kennedy, you're not welcome in Boone County unless you want to come talk to the real people of this river, the ones that have lived here all our lives. The violations that all of a sudden have now become an issue are not followed upon in a timely manner to make sure the problem is corrected. Why not give them a few days to get the problem corrected and then go back out and conduct another site visit to verify problem was corrected. Don't wait 30 days after the citation was issued then go back out and fine them daily. That's wrong but then again I understand the workload that the state and federal inspectors have due to again not enough staff members to carry the workload. I think Don was the true winner of this debate and I think it's high time us miners and family supporters step up to the plate and stand behind them for if it wasn't for their coal mining jobs how would we feed our family. I couldn't draw welfare, we have too many assets the same ones we have worked for all our lives.
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S Sloan
1/21/10 at 9:25 PM
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Doesn't Robinson Run supply coal to the Haywood power plant in Harrison County?
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Ralph Payne
1/21/10 at 9:21 PM
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I would find it comical if it weren't so sad that pro-coal advocates continue to prop up the big coal companies as being saviors of their communities and their coal-mining heritage. They cite the struggles of their forefathers and leaders such as John L. Lewis. Who do they think those struggles were against? It's the big coal companies that have exploited, subjugated and marginalized poor apalachians for more than a century. They remind me of the WWII Germans, who believed every word Hitler spouted, even while their countrymen were being led to the gas chambers. Sadly, even though Kennedy clearly, and correctly showed Blankenship and the coal industry to be the sinners and exploiters that they are, no change will come unless the government (EPA?) steps in to end MTR by outlawing it.
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judy wicker
1/21/10 at 9:13 PM
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i thought before i decided to write, i think don needed to do the same,he friends that were personally invited and told what to were because they either workded for him or worked with him are the true fakes. i think don is the reason for the employees having to take a cut in pay and his getting a $15 mil raise on his salary,, he never addressed those topic s i wonder why,, rfk jr brought them up enough don drank a lot of water and licked his lips alot,yet robert didn't, wonder which had the most to be nervous about?
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Dee
1/21/10 at 9:04 PM
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I would have to say I think that the herion that Kennedy was arrested for has damage his thinking. Read between the lines, he says that he is against Mt. Top Removal, but yet he is for underground mining. Then later through the debate, he began condemning coal period for killing fish, and etc., from the coal being burned in power plants. So that sounds like he is against coal period. Which is it Kennedy? They talk about the coal industry and their money. What about the Enviro and their cut in the supposively clean why.
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Herk
1/21/10 at 9:02 PM
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Kennedy stated his views in the most intelligent articulate way with back up. Blankenship appealed to emotion and fear of his base. Kennedy won hands down.
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kohio
1/21/10 at 8:52 PM
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charles s-- a very significant portion of coal which comes from central west virginia IS burned for electricity. i live in ohio and a substantial portion of our electricity is power by the coal from your state.

kennedy has got guts and is a great representative for the movement away from the finite resource of coal to infinite renewable energy which will provide long term jobs. and he is completely right that coal is here today and it will be here tomorrow, but mountaintop removal is one of our generation's greatest tragedies and it needs to stop immediately.
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Bill
1/21/10 at 8:43 PM
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I dont understand some posts on here. Frankly it amazes me.

1. Water quality standards are set for these streams that the stream didnt meet before mining, they are actually bieng asked to improve water quaility. then are breaking the law when they cant. he never said what was quoted below about purposly having violations. the state eequires one sample a month sometime two, if a sample is out of compliance it is a violation until a good sample is obtained.
I have a quote for you "surface mining is a sin" Well I'm born, raised and educated in West Virginia and now work in the mining industry and support my family and acording to Mr. Kenedy it makes me a sinner!

Or this one "Coal River Mtn will be a usless pit" That is a blatent lie! these sites are required by law to be reclaimd to a approved AOC plan, bond is calculated paid based on size and risk to reclaim the site if the operator can or will not.

No facts from Don huh. other than the US represents about 1/6th of fossil fuels bieng burntin the world. If we stop completly there will not be a significant effect globally or at the verry least its debateable. Or the FACT the 1% of murcury in streams are related to burning fossil fuels. Or the water you could drink is a voilation but allow people to dump sewage into streams. I had a biologist tell me a year ago if the EPA was concerned about water quality the would build sewage sytems for small comunities.

Also if you can make money at somthing in this country poeple will do it, I assure you. If solar and wind was so profitable it could gain it own market share.
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Kennedy
1/21/10 at 8:42 PM
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Enviro-meth-head
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Mary
1/21/10 at 8:40 PM
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Solar power has its pollution probems, too. Baotou Steel in China is making a real mess extracting rare earths used in them and other electronic gizmos.

Quartzite needs to be mined as the raw material for the silicon. Converting it requires use of electric carbon-arc furnaces. Wonder how those electric furnaces are powered?

Solar panels don't last "forever." They need replaced about every 20 to 25 years. I don't think either side is looking at the whole picture.
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Josh Stover
1/21/10 at 8:36 PM
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Mountain Top Removal MUST END!! All they are doing is "Raping" our beautiful mountains and polluting our streams! WV relies way to much on coal. What are we going to do when it is all gone? Wind, Solar, Hydro, etc.. Those are resources that will always be around and dont hurt our beautiful state. Don Blankenship is the Hitler of our time!
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nadine
1/21/10 at 8:30 PM
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I think Bobby Kennedy did a great job! You can tell he is really sincere in his beliefs, while Blankenship is your typical corporate suit saying what people wanna hear without truly believing it.

As far as commenting on Bobby's voice...you are completely ignorant. He has a disability. It is called spasmodic dysphonia. It affects his vocal cords. We need to commend him on keeping up the fight and speaking at every chance he gets to inform people that may not know how dire the need is for the US to become the leader in alternative energy. I think Bobby hit a homerun tonight!
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Carol
1/21/10 at 8:25 PM
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Kudo's to Mr. Blankenship for stating the facts. Mr. Kennedy has his own agenda in prospering his investments in alternative fuels. I hope Don Blankenship runs for governor, he will certainly get my vote!!! We need more representation by people like you. Great job!
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SlowHand
1/21/10 at 8:25 PM
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S. Boore....You missed the entire point by concentrating on the old "Kennedy is an outsider" argument. Mr. Kennedy wasn't putting down miners or West Virginians. He is stating a fact, and the fact of the matter is....for over 30 years our children rank at the bottom nationally in education. The our overall health of our citizenry is one of the worst in the nation. We are one of the poorest states in the entire nation. Yet we have more natural assets than 90% of the country. We've been getting the short end of the stick since the late 1800's. Mr. Blankenship and his cronies are raping this state, all the while providing less and less for it's citizens. We need to invest in "clean coal technologies" to sustain our coal industry. The coal barons don't want that because it cuts into their profits. We need to end mountain top removal because it is destroying the very environment we all live in! Not to mention it employs less than 1/3rd of the people long wall mining does. If you don't like the messenger, that's fine....but his message is sound!
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Vbree
1/21/10 at 8:20 PM
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The first part of my post was omitted. Proud to be what Blankenship calls an "Enviro".
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matthew
1/21/10 at 8:19 PM
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also - Robert F. Kennedy, Jr's father was Robert Kennedy, not John F. Kennedy
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Marie
1/21/10 at 8:18 PM
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Kennedy is clearly unaware of how ridiculous his chattering was, he maniipulated the time, the moderator was NOT good..he should have clearly stepped in and controlled each person's time..I was disappointed in the entire thing....just a waste of time. NO CLEAR POINTS MADE BY EITHER SIDE...high school debate teams could do a better job.
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John Lehman
1/21/10 at 8:17 PM
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Kennedy made the most convincing arguments from my perspective, but his speech was pressured and hard to listen to. Blankenship's style, on the other hand, was more apealing - a quick and easy going demeanor. Massey could not dream up a better front man. Kennedy needs to take some relaxation classes and learn to breathe.
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Vbree
1/21/10 at 8:16 PM
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But what scares me much more than this issue is today's SCOTUS decision to sell out our elections completely to the big corporations. Wal-Mart and say, CHINA, buying our next presidential election? I'm not easily frightened, but this scares the pants off of me.

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matthew
1/21/10 at 8:14 PM
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I didn't get to watch the whole debate, but it seems to me like Blankenship just babbled a bunch of B.S. about "family", "jobs", and "homeland security" when he was supposed to be answering questions about the enormous crimes his company keeps comitting every year. Also, why doesn't the company take daily water samples if it's *the law* to do so? Who in their right mind would knowingly violate the law every day, and then use that as a defense in a debate? "we get 30 violations a month on purpose" ???
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Mary rene
1/21/10 at 8:12 PM
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The true owners of the mountains are the Native Americans that Andrew Jackson kicked out. Rather than letting the coal company get the land-- give it back to the rightful owners, then lease it back from them; those mineral rights are bogus and illegal. If the land has historical artifacts on it, it can't be strip mined. Who owns the mineral rights to the land under the Supreme Court Building? hmmmmm....
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nicole
1/21/10 at 8:05 PM
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that debate was so interesting. and in offering a simple opinion for a complicated matter, looking at the wide scope in a minimalist viewpoint all i keep thinking is....is it natural to obtain a service or product by blowing up a mountaintop? turning green to gray?
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C.W.Showalter
1/21/10 at 8:01 PM
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Last nail
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Ann
1/21/10 at 7:48 PM
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Blankenship continues to chatter on with no real facts, just appeals to the emotionalism of the uninformed
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S. Boore
1/21/10 at 7:40 PM
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I really have no love for Massey and his coal company, but Robert Kennedy highly offends me with his holier than thou attitude coming into West Virginia and telling us how we should be running our environment. His assumption that coal miners now days are barely scraping by is totally uninformed. Yes, Massey had made buckets of money in his ownership of companies, and Kennedy hasn't made money in his investments? How many "regular" people can afford to make a house that's it's own power plant as he bragged. Only the Kennedy's and the Massey's.
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CM
1/21/10 at 7:38 PM
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How biased can a moderator be ?
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Ralph Payne
1/21/10 at 7:36 PM
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Kennedy definitely kicked Blankenships butt. Kennedy stated valid arguments, backed up with facts, figures and studies. All Blankenship did was to deny everything and call all studies and facts bunk. Difficult to deal with a mind set like that and all coal supporters share his views.
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bob
1/21/10 at 7:23 PM
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What about Industrial hemp 35 mill acres will meet the US energy needs It's carbon neutral non toxic Creates green jobs green business's cleans the enviroment Puts the economy back in the hands of the people
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Phylis Geller
1/21/10 at 7:17 PM
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For personal stories of people in the coal fields, and lots of background about mountaintop removal,watch the film, COAL COUNTRY. You can find it at www.coalcountrythemovie.com
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BobB
1/21/10 at 7:12 PM
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I am not sure that the value of what someone is saying has to do with what their voice sounds like. Don might want to stop crying about time everytime he talks instead of watching his wallet, which it sounds like is pretty fat. I find it interesting that he keeps saying Us when he refers to West Virginians in reference to effects of the surface mining, when I wonder how close he lives to a coal producing mine.
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charles sisk
1/21/10 at 7:10 PM
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Listening to the debate,and actually surprised that Electricity is being brought up concerning WV coal, I don't know of any coal in WV being used in power plants, our coal is A High BTU quality used in making steel and most of it is being shipped to China, Mr kennedy needs to do his research and he could argue Mr. Blankenship into the ground
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Larry Crack
1/21/10 at 6:46 PM
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Kennedy still sounds like the ghost of heroin past. Don needs to watch his wallet, or Bobby will steal it to score something downtown after the show.
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dir-t-coal
1/21/10 at 6:23 PM
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Speaking of jobs provided, there are more people cleaning up the coal ash spill in Kingston, TN than working in the TN coal fields. How do you make a good argument for basing our energy future on a finite consumable that only the wealthy can benefit from (because they control it) when our society could make the transition to renewable energy sources that would provide more jobs and no one company nor individual can control it (like the sun or wind)--let's see what Blankenship has to say (of course he would be missing out in this new energy economy--less control=less money.)

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Cyndi Bolton
1/21/10 at 6:21 PM
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I am an environmentalist and proud of it. I am not against coal, nor am I against coal miners. My grandfather, father, numerous uncles, cousins and a brother were all coal miners. I am from a high-producing coal county - Boone, in southern West Virginia. I realize how important coal is not only to West Virginia but the entire country. But the fact is that coal is a finite resource - when it's gone there's no creating more. Then the jobs will be gone. There is an abundance of other natural resources we can draw upon for energy - natural gas, solar and wind come immediately to mind. They do not negatively impact our environment, and many jobs could be created for West Virginians.
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Evan Grove
1/21/10 at 6:16 PM
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I looooove to ignore the long-term in order to focus on the short-term. That's why I love Big Coal.
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C.W.Showalter
1/21/10 at 6:06 PM
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Not just a few jobs, that coal keeps the lights on and the steel rolling.
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hebintn
1/21/10 at 6:05 PM
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Hopefully, there will be a debate this time rather than reason being drowned out by a bunch of thugs. People must realize coal and coal mining will be with us for a few more years, but will, God willing, be replaced by clean alternatives. The current objection is to the irreversible distruction of our mountains my Blankenship mentality, e.g. get the dollars now and to hell with the future. Mountaintop removal mining must go.
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Likity
1/21/10 at 5:58 PM
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I hope and pray some will see how the oldest mountains in the world are being destroyed for a few jobs, lots of money for Massey etal., and the lies that are being spread by elected officials. I know, I visit and call my state Represenative often and hear the delusional thinking verbalized. When I watch the Gov. of west Virginia sell his state to the highest bidder I'm sad for those in poverty whose land is devalued and futures sold.
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Teresa
1/21/10 at 5:54 PM
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I sure hope Blankenship shows Kennedy how much West Virginia needs coal in order for west Virginia's to keep there jobs.
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Barbara
1/21/10 at 5:36 PM
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Thank God for people like Robert Kennedy Jr., a man of wealth who supports the common person and our beautiful mountains. The Massey ads strangling the airways are deceptive and disgusting.
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jacquetta
1/21/10 at 4:57 PM
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Can't wait to see this debate. So glad we have such an intelligent man representing WV Coal. Don't always agree with him, but he is an excellent representative for coal.
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John Lehman
1/21/10 at 4:55 PM
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Perhaps Blankenship taking on Kennedy is part of the Republican backlash as it gathers its moneyed interests and steam-roll any and all Progressive initiatives. I'm more concerned with what's going on with health care, but will tune this in. All of these issues are connected of course as pharmaceuticals are the other great pillar of our Petrochemical Age.
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Peggy Patrick
1/21/10 at 4:53 PM
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I think it will be very informative for all people. Mr. Blankenship is highly intelligent. I'm sick of people claiming that mountain top removal is destroying our mountains. Where were all these people when the mountains were being ripped apart for highways? Progress???, well MTR has provided land for lodges, schools and yes, these great highways that people would rather drive on instead of the winding roads we now have. That's progress too! Kennedy will get very little support from people around here in Mingo County, WV
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Dave Hatfield
1/21/10 at 3:36 PM
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I wonder what the outcome of this "debate" will be. Massey has always had their way. Why does Don Blankenship want to debate with RFK Jr.? Would it make any difference how we all feel about Mountaintop removal? I suppose it won't change many minds. At the outset, it may shed some light on Mr. Blankenship and his ilk.

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